Rocket Fuel, Thermite, and Hydrogen: Myths about the Hindenburg Crash
There are many myths about the Hindenburg disaster, usually spread by “hydrogen advocates” who want to persuade people that hydrogen played no role in the tragedy.
This page explores and debunks some of the more common Hindenburg myths in detail, including:
- “The Hindenburg was painted with rocket fuel“
- “The Hindenburg was painted with thermite“
- “The Hindenburg’s outer cover was highly flammable“
- “Hydrogen burns without color, so it could not have been hydrogen burning“
- “People on the Hindenburg were not injured by the hydrogen“
- Commentary: The irony of the hydrogen advocates
Or for a shorter summary of this subject, visit: Photographic Evidence that the Hindenburg was not “Painted with Rocket Fuel”
Hindenburg Myth 1: “The Hindenburg was painted with rocket fuel”
This idea originated with Addison Bain, and comes from the fact that Hindenburg’s fabric covering was doped with a solution that included aluminum powder, and in certain sections iron oxide, which are sometimes used as components in solid rocket fuel.
Hydrogen fire burning around sections of Hindenburg's covering, which were not sufficiently flammable to have yet ignited
Hindenburg’s cotton-canvas covering was doped to seal and protect it from water, wind, and damage from small objects, and to keep it taut for aerodynamic reasons as the ship moved through the sky. The dope was a solution of cellulose acetate butyrate to which aluminum powder had been added. At the top of the hull, a layer of iron oxide was applied to the inside face of the covering to protect the fabric from the UV radiation in direct sunlight.
The aluminum powder gave the ship its silvery coloring, but its practical purpose was to reduce the heating effects of the sun, which can cause an airship’s gas cells to expand and release their gas.
But while aluminum powder may be used in certain rocket fuels, that doesn’t mean that everything containing aluminum powder is a rocket fuel. (As an analogy, butyl rubber — polyisobutylene — is a component in both C-4 plastic explosives and basketballs, but that doesn’t make your basketball a bomb.)
Aluminum powder has many uses other than rocket fuel, including the manufacture of photovoltaic solar energy panels and metallic paints for cars, boats, furniture, and other items.
The chief ingredient in rocket fuel is an oxidizer; a substance which creates its own oxygen supply to support combustion. Without an oxidizer, you don’t have rocket fuel.
As explained by the website of NASA’s Kennedy Space Center:
A solid propellant always contains its own oxygen supply. The oxidizer in the Shuttle solids is ammonium perchlorate, which forms 69.93 percent of the mixture. The fuel is a form of powdered aluminum (16 percent), with an iron oxidizer powder (0.07) as a catalyst. The binder that holds the mixture together is polybutadiene acrylic acid acrylonitrile (12.04 percent). In addition, the mixture contains an epoxy-curing agent (1.96 percent). The binder and epoxy also burn as fuel, adding thrust.
Not only does rocket fuel require an oxidizer, but the oxidizer is by far the largest component of rocket fuel (approximately 70% in the case of the Space Shuttle).
The only substance in Hindenburg’s doping compound which could conceivably act as an oxidizer was the iron oxide added to one section of the covering, but it was in too small a quantity, and was too separated from the aluminum powder (at no point in the doping process were the aluminum powder and iron oxide mixed together), to act as an oxidizer in this application.
[For additional technical details regarding the Hindenburg's covering and "rocket fuel," see: The Hindenburg Hydrogen Fire: Fatal Flaws in the Addison Bain Incendiary-Paint Theory, A. J. Dessler "Dressler" - download pdf]
Without an oxidizer, even the Space Shuttle would still be fizzling slowly at its launch pad in Florida… just like this theory.
Perhaps the best evidence that the Hindenburg was not painted with “rocket fuel” are the photographs and films of the disaster. If the Hindenburg had been painted with anything even remotely as flammable as rocket fuel, its covering would have been quickly and totally devoured by the fire, but that did not happen, as you can see from the photos presented on this page.
Hindenburg Myth 2: “The Hindenburg was painted with thermite”
Basically a variation on the rocket fuel myth, many people seem to think that the Hindenburg was painted with “thermite.”
Scary word, thermite. Makes for a great sound bite And since thermite can be made from aluminum powder and iron oxide — which were used on certain sections of the Hindenburg’s covering — it is easy to see why this myth spread so rapidly.
Unfortunately, the truth is a little more boring. While it is true that a thermite reaction can be created with a mixture of aluminum and iron oxide, it requires a ratio of about 1 part aluminum to 3 parts iron oxide [download pdf]. The dope used on Hindenburg’s silver-colored hull contained 5 parts aluminum to 1 part iron oxide; basically the reverse of the ratio needed for thermite. In other words, Hindenburg’s dope contained less than 1/10 the amount of iron oxide needed to create a thermite reaction.
In fact, since actual thermite requires 3 parts of heavy iron oxide for every 1 part of light aluminum powder, if the Hindenburg had been painted with thermite it might never left the ground in the first place; the designers of a lighter-than-air dirigible would never paint the ship with thermite, not only because of its flammability, but also because of its extremely heavy weight.
Finally, a thermite reaction requires the components to be well blended, and if they separate, the mixture is useless. The aluminum powder and iron oxide on Hindenburg were applied separately, in different layers, and were not mixed together as in thermite. (Addison Bain refers to “thermite hot spots” — small points where he found the iron oxide in the first layer of dope to have bled through to the subsequent layers of aluminum powder — but he does not offer evidence of how widespread this might have been, or any evidence that a significant overall thermite reaction occurred during the burning of the Hindenburg.)
The best evidence that no significant thermite reaction took place are the photographs and films of the fire. As mentioned above, iron oxide was applied only to the upper portion of the Hindenburg, to protect the covering from the UV radiation in sunlight. (The lower part of Hindenburg’s hull was doped only with aluminum, since there was no point in adding the additional weight of a layer of iron oxide to a part of the ship not exposed to the sun.) Photographs and film of the Hindenburg fire show no difference in the speed at which the covering of the upper hull burned as compared to the lower hull. If the upper hull had really been painted with thermite, it would have burned at a much faster rate than the lower hull.
In fact, the only lines of demarcation seen in the photographs of the fire are between gas cells, because it was primarily the hydrogen — and not the covering — which was burning.
Hindenburg Myth 3: “The Hindenburg’s outer cover was highly flammable”
This is the generalized version of the rocket fuel and thermite myths. Certain hydrogen advocates have tried to argue that the covering was so highly flammable that it was the covering — and not the hydrogen — which was the primary factor in Hindenburg’s rapid destruction.
In fact, the Hindenburg’s covering, while certainly combustible, was not especially flammable, and the covering material itself actually burned quite slowly. Even after the crash, large areas of the covering remained unburned, indicating that the covering could not have been highly flammable, and many sections burned only when exposed to the direct heat of the burning hydrogen, as seen in the films and photographs of the disaster.
As discussed above, Hindenburg’s covering was made of cotton canvas doped with a solution of cellulose acetate butyrate, to which aluminum powder (and in some places iron oxide) had been added.
Canvas doped with cellulose acetate butyrate is combustible but nonflammable; in other words, it will burn if held in a flame, but tends to self-extinguish when removed from heat. [See, The Hindenburg Fire: Hydrogen or Incendiary Paint?, A. J. Dessler, D. E. Overs, and W. H. Appleby, "Dessler/Overs/Appleby," pdf available here.)]
(Some discussions of the Hindenburg incorrectly claim that the dope contained cellulose nitrate, rather than cellulose acetate. In fact, the designers of Hindenburg deliberately avoided cellulose nitrate precisely because it was known to be flammable, and they chose the safer cellulose acetate instead. The dangers of cellulose nitrate were well understood at the time, since it was used in the first photographic films which were known to be highly flammable. Cellulose acetate filmstock was introduced as an alternative in the 1920s, and was known as “safety film.”)
The addition of aluminum powder may have made the doping solution somewhat more combustible, but it was still a far cry from rocket fuel.
In discussing the flammability of the covering, however, it is important to differentiate between two questions:
- (A) Whether the covering was sufficiently flammable to have been the initial source of the Hindenburg fire (i.e., whether the covering itself could have been ignited by an electrical discharge, and then ignited the hydrogen, as suggested by Addison Bain)
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- (B) Whether the covering was so highly flammable that it was the main cause of the destruction of the ship, rendering the presence of hydrogen an insignificant factor in the crash (as suggested by some hydrogen advocates who go far beyond the claims made by Addison Bain, and who argue that Hindenburg’s covering was so highly flammable that the ship would have been destroyed by fire even if it had been inflated with helium, a position repudiated by Bain himself.)
While there is evidence that Hindenburg’s covering might have been sufficiently flammable to be a source of the initial ignition (as suggested by Addison Bain), there is overwhelming evidence that the covering was not so highly flammable that it was a major factor in the subsequent destruction of the airship (as suggested by those who have taken Dr. Bain’s theories well beyond the limits of his own suggestions).
Various scientific tests performed on doped canvas replicating the covering of the Hindenburg show that the covering itself actually burned quite slowly. In fact, without the presence of hydrogen, the covering would have taken almost 40 hours to burn completely: The upper covering, containing iron oxide plus aluminum, would have taken about 30.9 hours, and the lower covering, containing aluminum alone, would have taken 37.9 hours. (See, Dessler/Overs/Appleby, cited above.)
In fact, Addison Bain’s own experiment with a 2-1/2″ piece of the actual covering of the Hindenburg, shown on the British television program Secrets of the Dead, What Happened to the Hindenburg, shows that it would have taken approximately 40 hours for the Hindenburg’s covering to burn. (Cited in Dessler/Overs/Appleby.)
Even the television show Mythbusters declared this myth as busted.
And you can see for yourself that the Hindenburg’s covering was anything but highly flammable. Photographs of the wreckage show that even after a fire so intense that it destroyed an 800-foot airship in about 34 seconds, sections of the covering still remained unburned.
Hindenburg Myth 4: “Hydrogen burns without color, so it could not have been hydrogen burning”
This myth contends that since hydrogen burns with a mostly invisible flame, and since the Hindenburg’s flames were orange, it could not have been the hydrogen that was burning.
Many versions of this theory are supported by a color photograph of the Hindenburg burning with a bright orange flame.
Or...
Or, more accurately, a colorized photograph of the Hindenburg burning, since no color photographs or films were taken of the Hindenburg disaster. Any color photo or video on the internet showing the Hindenburg on fire is a black & white original which has been colorized, and whoever added the color could have just as easily made the flames pink, purple, or green.
(Color Kodachrome photographs were taken after the crash, but they show the wreckage on the ground, after all the hydrogen had burned off.)
But hydrogen does, in fact, burn with a mostly invisible flame, and even the original black & white photographs show flames which are clearly visible.
So here’s the simple explanation: Hydrogen does burn mostly without color… but only when hydrogen is the only thing burning.
As the Hindenburg was consumed by flame, it was not only the hydrogen which burned; it was also the canvas covering, the duralumin (an aluminum alloy) framework, the steel bracing cables, the gelatine-cotton gas cells, the tanks of diesel fuel, and even the tables and chairs. And no-one has ever claimed that diesel fuel, canvas, aluminum, or steel burns with an invisible flame.
In addition, not only did the rest of the Hindenburg’s components emit color and light themselves as they burned, but they also acted as a mantle. A “mantle” is the part of a gas lamp that glows to emit light. Most flammable gases burn without color, which is why gas lanterns always use a mantle; the gas burns and creates heat, but it is the mantle which glows and emits light. The duralumin girders and steel bracing wires of the Hindenburg were perhaps the largest mantle in gas lamp history.
During World War I, many of the hydrogen zeppelins sent by the German Army and Navy to bomb England, France, and Belgium were shot down and burned, and all burned with bright orange, yellow, and red flames — just like the Hindenburg.
Hindenburg Myth 5: “People on the Hindenburg were not injured by the hydrogen”
This is probably the most absurd myth about the Hindenburg disaster, and one that is frequently promoted by advocates of hydrogen as an alternative to fossil fuels. (And because of its extreme absurdity, this may be the claim which most undermines the credibility of these hydrogen advocates).
Whatever caused the initial ignition of the Hindenburg fire (whether it was the covering ignited by an electrical discharge, or leaking hydrogen which caught fire, or even sabotage, which is unlikely) the airship was incinerated in less than a minute — and came crashing to the ground as smoldering wreckage — because virtually the entire space of the ship’s 800-foot hull was filled with hydrogen which erupted in flame. Yet many hydrogen fuel advocates contend that the millions of cubic feet of hydrogen in Hindenburg’s gas cells (representing, according to Addison Bain’s own estimate, over a billion BTUs of energy) somehow had no effect on the passengers and crew when it burned.
The newsletter of the American Hydrogen Association informed its readers: “No deaths were due to the hydrogen fire that was ultimately ignited by the burning skin of the Hindenburg.” [Hydrogen Today, vol. 10, no. 2, 1999, p.8 - download pdf]
According to the Association’s website:
Hydrogen is about fifteen-times lighter than air. After ignition by the violently burning surface varnish, flames from hydrogen combustion traveled upward, far away from the crew and passengers in the cabins below. What fell to the ground with the passengers were burning shrouds from the exterior fabric, a large inventory of diesel fuel, and combustible materials that were in the cabins…
Sixty-two persons from the Hindenburg lived through the disaster by being fortunate enough to ride the Hindenburg down and escape the flames and wreckage that fell to the ground. Many of these survivors were relatively unharmed.
Dr. Karl Kruszelnicki, an Australian hydrogen advocate who is a popular television science expert known as “Dr. Karl,” has gone so far as to claim that the Hindenburg’s hydrogen was not only “totally innocent,” but did not even contribute to the ensuing fire:
In all of this, the hydrogen was innocent. In the terrible disaster, the Hindenburg burnt with a red flame. But hydrogen burns with an almost invisible bluish flame. In the Hindenburg disaster, as soon as the hydrogen bladders were opened by the flames, the hydrogen inside would have escaped up and away from the burning airship – and it would not have not contributed to the ensuing fire. The hydrogen was totally innocent.
[The photographs of the disaster make clear how just ridiculous Dr. Kruszelnicki's arguments are, and as a scientist he should also understand why the Hindenburg did not burn with an invisible flame; his complete article is rebutted here.]
Hydrogen advocate Greg Blencoe from the company Hydrogen Discoveries claims:
The clean hydrogen flames [emphasis added] swirled above the occupants of the passenger compartment, and all those who rode the airship down to the ground survived. Thirty-five of the thirty-seven casualties perished from jumping to the ground, and most other injuries resulted from diesel burns.
Silverwood Energy makes the same recycled claim, including the reference to “clean hydrogen flames.”
The American Hydrogen Association newsletter states “The sixty-two surviving persons that rode the gently falling Hindenburg (emphasis added) to the ground had only slight injuries” [Hydrogen Today, vol. 10, no. 2, 1999, p.9 - download pdf].
And another website similarly claims that “those who remained aboard the ship during its relatively gentle descent to the ground escaped with minor injuries.”
[The concept of a "gently falling Hindenburg" is certainly not borne out by films of the disaster, which show the airship crashing violently to the ground in less than half a minute.]
One hydrogen cell retailer offers a “Brief History of Hydrogen” in which they discuss the Hindenburg and state: “the hydrogen burned safely above the passengers and didn’t cause a single death.”
And there is even a hydrogen advocate who argues that “Hydrogen was used very successfully as a lifting gas until the Hindenburg disaster gave it an unwarranted bad reputation,” and claims “it is even possible that the hydrogen contained within the Hindenburg when the skin caught fire actually mitigated the disaster somewhat if anything.”
[The idea that the hydrogen "mitigated" rather than exacerbated the disaster is simply nonsensical; even if it were the covering which was the initial source of ignition, the subsequent fire would have progressed very differently if the airship has been inflated with helium rather than hydrogen.]
Burning hydrogen caused the duralumin framework to collapse on the passengers and crew still trapped within the wreckage.
How does one even begin to address the claim that almost 7 million cubic feet of hydrogen can burn in about 34 seconds, and completely destroy an 800-foot airship, and yet not be responsible for injuring any of the passengers or crew?
- One could list the fatalities of the Hindenburg disaster and describe how each one died. Patrick Russell has a brilliant blog which describes the fate of each person on Hindenburg’s final flight. For example, Patrick’s research conclusively refutes the oft-cited claim that “35 of the 37 casualties perished from jumping to the ground.” (Although even if that claim were true, these victims would not have needed to jump from a burning airship in the first place if the Hindenburg had been inflated with helium rather than hydrogen.)
- One could review the scientific evidence (above) demonstrating that the covering alone would have taken up to 40 hours to burn, so if the Hindenburg had been inflated with helium the passengers and crew would have had ample time to exit to safety.
- One could refer to a diagram showing the locations of the crew (survivors in green, casualties in red). Crew members and passengers who were in a position to exit quickly generally lived, while those who were trapped in the ship perished.
- One could point to the unanimity of opinion among respected airship historians who agree that, whether or not Hindenburg’s covering was the source of initial ignition, it was the presence of hydrogen which was responsible for the severity of the crash.
- One could consider the lack of fire in the many incidents and accidents involving helium-inflated airships, such as the USS Shenandoah (which, in addition, was also doped with an aluminum powder solution).
- Or one could simply watch the film of the disaster once again and approach the matter with basic common sense.
But perhaps the larger point is the absurdity of this debate itself. In their determination to exonerate hydrogen at all costs, hydrogen advocates like Greg Blencoe and others have made the macabre, autopsy-like argument that it was not the hydrogen itself which killed the victims of the Hindenburg, but other things (diesel fuel, burning material from the cabins, jumping from a great height… anything but hydrogen). But even if those arguments were true — which they are simply not — do the hydrogen advocates really think it matters what particular substance (hydrogen, diesel fuel, or burning bed linens) caused particular injuries, since the Hindenburg itself would not have crashed to the ground in less than a minute if had not been inflated with hydrogen?
These arguments are like claiming that the San Francisco earthquake of 1906 did not cause many casualties, since most of the deaths were actually caused by the ensuing fire, and not by the earthquake itself.
The Irony of the Hydrogen Advocates
Many of the myths about the Hindenburg disaster — from the nonsense about rocket fuel to the absurd claim that nobody was injured by the hydrogen fire — have been circulated and promoted by hydrogen advocates who seem determined to prove that anything but hydrogen was responsible for the destruction of the Hindenburg and the deaths of its victims.
For example, the South Carolina Hydrogen and Fuel Cell Alliance (whose board of directors seems to include people with a scientific background) uses its Twitter account to send frequent and repetitive tweets claiming that “NASA” found that the Hindenburg’s covering was “sealed w/ solid rocket fuel.”
The National Hydrogen Association website publishes an FAQ and distributes a “Fact Sheet” [pdf] which make a similar claim.
And in their zeal to exonerate hydrogen, the hydrogen advocates are not restrained by the normal rules of logic. For example, to support its claim that no-one was harmed by the hydrogen fire on the Hindenburg, the American Hydrogen Association states that the hydrogen fire “was over in less than a minute.”
They explain:
“In less than one minute after the hydrogen bags were interrupted and the hydrogen started to escape, the hydrogen was gone. You can count the seconds in the news reel film of the disaster.” [Hydrogen Today, vol. 10, no. 2, 1999, pp. 8,9 - download pdf]
They are correct. The hydrogen was gone in less than a minute… because the entire airship was gone in less than a minute.
How do the hydrogen advocates expect to be taken seriously on other matters relating to science and technology, when they are willing to put their names, websites, and reputations behind unscientific urban myths and absurdly illogical arguments?
The great irony is that the nonsensical claims about the Hindenburg disaster offered by these hydrogen advocates, which so badly undermine their own seriousness and credibility, are completely unnecessary to their cause. The fact that hydrogen was responsible for the Hindenburg disaster is completely irrelevant to whether or not hydrogen makes a good alternative to fossil fuels. In fact, hydrogen could (theoretically) be both a wonderful alternative fuel and a terrible lifting gas for passenger airships; there is no necessary contradiction between the two. Many substances which are ideal for one application are hazardous in another, and hydrogen advocates like those mentioned above, who can’t seem to understand or express this simple concept, just raise questions about their own analytical abilities. Many people support solar energy, but they don’t feel the need to claim that sunlight never causes skin cancer.










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The “hydrogen as a fuel” supporters who seek to bolster there cause by blaming the cause of the Hindenburg tragedy on something other than hydrogen, would do much better to offer up more convincing arguments as to why hydrogen would make a good fuel in the first place. Quite obviously it does not. Hydrogen is as close to being the worst substance to use as a fuel as there could be. A very low density gas that leaks through solid metal, is highly explosive, liquifies at a very low temperature, and embrittles metal containers. Just what about it is there to like? Obviously any sensible choice for a fuel would be a either a liquid at room temperature or close to it. No one with any sense would choose hydrogen. The only thing it hasa going for it is its ease of use in simple fuel cells, and that’s it. The sooner this idiotic idea goes away the better.
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I would like to make an observation: in my first year at the university our chemistry professor made a demonstration: a hydrogen-filled balloon was floated up some distance in the hall and a lit match on a long staff was touched to it. The balloon instantly disappeared with a bright reddish flash. It was distinctly reddish.
I have seen Robert Wise’s “Hindenburg” film many times. It’s incredible how realistic the interiors were rendered (so much that I think they re-used the control car for the recent documentary about “USS Macon”) , but of course there is no proof that the “Hindenburg” was sabotaged, even though there were many who had a motive to do so. It makes a fascinating story nevertheless, and seeing LZ-129 inside as it most probably was certainly makes it worth the while. (but for a really hands-on experience the Zeppelin Museum in Friedrichshafen is very recommended, and if you happen to be there don’t also miss the smaller Zeppelin Museum located in the castle at Meersburg about 10 miles away.)
And certainly the covering fabric would not have self-ignited. It was very much like the fabric used for a long time to cover the wings of many biplanes and the control surfaces of most aircraft until the jet age.
A few years back another documentary described what was probably the cause: a sharp turning maneuver caused one of the bracing wires to break, which in turn slashed one of the gas cells. Escaping hydrogen gas was then ignited by static electricity. This is corroborated by Lehmannn remarking that the ship was heavy towards the stern, (and he also asked if a bracing wire could have ruptured a moment later when the fire had broken out) and that at least one witness on the ground saw the fabric fluttering immediately before fire broke out. (btw. when LZ-4 crashed near Echterdingen and caught on fire immediately this too happened during a thunderstorm, and when R-101 touched the ground near Beauvais in 1930 this happened quite slowly yet the fire that broke out almost immediately was equally violent and catastrophic; even though it was raining quite heavily. With such a large quantity of hydrogen it couldn’t be otherwise, and the smallest spark sufficed t set it off. A lightning strike would have passed through the aluminum frames which acted as a Faraday cage (at least one Zeppelin was struck by lightning during World War I, yet survived with only small burn marks), but if there was an hydrogen leak this was certainly fatal. During World War I at least two German airships were lost while flying in or near a thundertstorm.
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A pure h2 and air or o2 flame will burn invisible.The addition of too much air can give a yellow flame.In a fire such as the hindenburg so much other material also was being burned it added to the visibility of the flame.I dont know what caused the disaster but I found your website very informative.I think you offered a well researched investigation into the probable cause with compelling evidence.
Thermite does not spontaneously ignite and the components must be finely divided and intimatly mixed in the proper ratios.The temperature required to ignite it is high I used magnesium ribbon.
I too like hydrogen as a fuel it burns clean and can produce electrical energy in a fuel cell.If we can solve the problems of producing it cheaply enough to compete with other fuels and storing it for use in usable amounts it would be viable as a motor fuel as your car engine needs very little in the way of modification to run off of it.You could burn air and hydrogen and run a steam engine directly without the use of a boiler or transmission.
Thanks again for the website.
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stolennomenclature Reply:
January 26th, 2010 at 3:02 am
Hydrogen may burn cleanly and works well in a simple fuel cell, but everything else about it makes it quite unsuitable as a general purpose fuel. For one thing its very difficult to store – you either need to put it under very high pressure in a very strong, expensive and heavy container, or need to cool it down to cryogenic temperatures and store it a large, expensive, insulated container that can handle very low temperatures, and have a system which allows the fuel to vent off as it boils away, or a refigeration system to continually remove heat. Alternatively the fuel can be stored in a very large, heavy and very expensive metal hydride storage facility composed of rare earth metals. Frankly hydrogen makes more sense as the lift gas for airships than a fuel for automobiles and buses.
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i know what brought down the beloved Hindenburg: as Captain Pruss turned, a bracing wire snapped slicing a hole in gas cell 4 or 5 the whip-lash effect would be so violent that it slices the cell open and hydrogen leaked out, then the ship’s skeleton reached a dangerous voltage, then a spark jumps from the outer skin to the metal igniting the leaking hydrogen, what eyewitnesses were seeing burning was the fabric, the guys in the engine cars were the luckiest, they escaped without a single scratch on them,
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The fire started far aft of the passenger decks. Testimonial evidence (particularly that of crewman Helmut Lau, who was standing on a small catwalk about halfway down into the lower fin, and saw the fire moments after it began) places the initial point of ignition somewhere between gas cells 4 and 5. I have heard it both ways about the passengers’ lighters – that they had been returned already, and that they would be returned after landing – but either way, that would have had no bearing on the disaster, as no passenger was anywhere near the area in the tail of the ship where the fire began.
The most likely theory as to the cause of the fire is that there was a hydrogen leak in one of those cells (supported by Captain Albert Sammt, who would later recall repeatedly dropping ballast from the tail of the ship as the tail kept getting heavier and heavier, which he believed indicated a significant hydrogen leak) and that hydrogen was ignited by static electricity atop the ship (supported by a witness, Professor Mark Heald, who saw static discharge flickering along the top of the ship’s hull for approximately a minute before the fire began.) Since crewman Helmut Lau saw the first signs of fire deep inside of the airship, near the gas release valves for cells 4 and 5, it’s probable that once the leaking hydrogen caught fire, the fire burned back down to the source of the leak (either a tear in one of the gas cells, or a gas release valve that hadn’t closed properly) and then further ignited the gas cell material and other combustible materials (rope, fabric from the gas vent shaft, et cetera) in that spot. The fire then spread from there.
So yes, it is by far the most likely probability that hydrogen DID start the fire. This is more or less the conclusion Dr. Eckener and the Board of Inquiry arrived at back in 1937, and though there have been those through the years who have attempted to turn the cause of the fire into a big dramatic mystery (saboteurs, exploding paint, yadda yadda) a thorough analysis of available facts (testimonial and photographic) indicates that Eckener and the Board were pretty much right on the money.
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I agree that the severity of the disaster was caused by the hydrogen. However hydrogen did not start the fire. fires require fuel ( lets assume hydrogen) oxygen and heat.
Its hard to tell from the photos but it appears the fire started or burst through above the passenger cabins.
Im curious at what point during operations would they have given back the passengers matches and lighters. They were about to disembark the ship I wonder if personal items were already being returned at that point.
just a thought.
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First of all thanks for the web site. I love finding sites like yours that are what the internet was supposed to be, instead of what it is. As to the claims of how colorful hydrogen does or doesn’t burn I offer this. In my younger days as a sailor for Uncle Sam, we had access to a decommissioned atmosphere analyzer. The system used bottled hydrogen as part of the process. One night we filled a light weight plastic bag with the gas, tied the opening closed with a string and let it go. This was kind of fun, so we then filled another one up and left a long tail on the string which we lit (on fire) prior to releasing. This was much more satisfying. The bag would drift up quite a ways before the flame would melt a hole in the bag. At this point the bag would disappear in a ball of fire. As the remains of the flaming bag and string fell back to earth, we would race madly to reach the landing area to ensure we didn’t catch something else on fire. We would launch one or two of our “Great Balls of Fire” every 4th night (duty) for about a month until our fuel supply was used up. Admittedly, we were doing this at night, but there is no doubt in my mind as to weather or not you can see hydrogen burn. I don’t recommend, nor do I encourage anyone to try this, but as they say “The truth is out there, if you just look around.” Just my 2 cents worth, from “a hands on” kind of guy.
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There is no question that the Germans were the most experienced in the use of
hydrogen but they weren’t masters of the numerous failures possible in an 804′
contraption. If this was so the 129 would not have burned and crashed.
The Hindenburg was designed with an new and totally untested gas bag arrangement in which smaller hydrogen bags were contained inside the larger
helium bags…. the valving was done deep within the hull which, indeed, may have led to the Lakehurst disaster.
Eckener went begging for American helium and was refused due to The Helium
Control Act of 1927. He went so far as to propose a joint German-American
airship operating company …. all this to get HELIUM. The fact is the Zeppelin
designers used what they had because it was all that they had.
So, in a ship not designed for hydrogen, with innovations untested, they filled
her up and flew her anyway. Shades of the R-101.
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Patrick Russell Reply:
July 27th, 2009 at 12:13 am
Actually, Dr, Eckener and the Germans never formally requested helium until after the Hindenburg disaster.
It would certainly have been a difficult thing for Eckener to finagle even if he had tried to get helium. Not only was the idea going to be a hard sell where the US Congress was concerned, but even if they had agreed to sell helium to Germany it would have been unbelievably expensive for the Germans – not only due to the high price of the (at the time) rare gas, but also due to the huge amount of money that would have needed to be spent by the Zeppelin Company to build the facilities and infrastructure needed to store and purify helium in Germany.
Even if the United States had come to Eckener and offered to sell him helium (which did not happen, regardless of what folks might read on Wikipedia) He probably would not have been in the financial position to accept. This is, in all likelihood, a big part of the reason why he was trying to get American business tycoons interested in forming a joint German-American transatlantic passenger airship service (as you mention, Rip.).
One thing that Hugo Eckener was very good at was using other people’s money to finance his endeavors. And if he was going to get helium for his airships, he was going to need a helluva lot of money to make that happen. Getting the Americans into the passenger airship game as a partner company to the Zeppelin Company would have made that a lot easier.
But it wasn’t just about helium either. By the time the Hindenburg was making her first flights in 1936, it was obvious to Eckener that he was going to need to find a new place in the United States to land his ships. International political tensions being what they were, German airships were not going to be allowed to use American military facilities for much longer, and I can’t see that Eckener would have had any illusions about this. A civilian airship port along the eastern US seaboard was going to be needed, and that was definitely going to take the involvement of American businessmen (and their money and influence, of course.)
So while Eckener certainly would have liked to have filled the Hindenburg with helium if it had been financially feasible to do so, there was never any solid plan to do this. There was indeed a design drawn up that would have suspended small hydrogen cells inside larger helium cells, but this was never implemented during construction of the ship. The Hindenburg was designed to fly on either hydrogen or helium, anticipating an eventual German-American joint venture, but it was built with the expectation that the ship would probably be filled with hydrogen.
Yes, the final gas valve arrangement was similar to what was shown in those drawings of the hydrogen/helium cells, but they were actually placed higher in the structure than the gas valves in the LZ-127 Graf Zeppelin were (as you can see if you look at the “Graf Zeppelin Technology” page on this site.) For that matter, the LZ-126 Los Angeles was designed with her gas valves even closer to the bottom of the ship, but using the exact same gas vent shaft setup that was used on the first Graf Zeppelin and the Hindenburg. So nothing in connection with the Hindenburg’s gas cells was particularly different from what had been used before. It wasn’t a helium gas valve arrangement being used in a hydrogen airship – it was a pretty standard Luftschiffbau Zeppelin valve arrangement.
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Rip Tragle Reply:
August 4th, 2009 at 11:35 am
In engineering if you have changed one thing you may have changed everything.
(if we had only changed those space shuttle o-rings or waited for a warmer day)
The fact that similar devices or methods were used in previous designs does
not mean they will work successfully in a completely new design. The Hindenburg
was a prototype. The equivalent of Boeing designing a brand new airliner (based on
known technology) and allowing the first prototype to carry passengers.
There was nothing “standard” about the Hindenburg as such had not
existed before in this form.
Permission was granted to sell helium to Germany in the wake of the disaster
but was later taken back…. refused.
Anyway, I did not mean to get into a long discussion as to why the Hindenburg
burst into flames, I know why: it was filled with hydrogen. cheers, Rip Tragle
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Henry Reply:
November 16th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Awesome.I have loads of note cards now.But I believe
that the lightning caused some effect.Do you think
that’s true?
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Rip Tragle Reply:
November 28th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
What lightning?
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henry Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
There was lightning and a storm.I saw a video.Someone who survived said(along with many others)they saw lightning.:)
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Rip Tragle Reply:
December 8th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Of the volumes of testimony from eye witness
reports at the time: nobody mentioned lightning.
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I am in utter disbelief that anyone would argue that hydrogen airships were anything
but disasters waiting to happen.
According to the list of rigid airships in the back of Douglas H. Robinson’s “Giants In
The Sky”:
30 of the 120 Zeppelins built were positively lost to fire.
5 of the 20 Shutte-Lanz ships burned.
3 of the 16 British rigids burned.
There are many that “disappeared” with later reports from people who saw a
bright light in the night sky…. these are not counted.
As yet I have never heard of a helium airship burning. Think of all those WWII
blimps. And why were the LZ-129 and 130 designed for helium?
Hey, hydrogen is cheap ….. fill your kid’s toy balloon with it, right?
Lord, the next thing we’ll hear is the Hindenburg never crashed and the film was
a Warner Bros. production. cheers, Rip
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Tim C. Reply:
July 13th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Yes, the volatility of hydrogen is well-documented. The thing to remember is by the time of the Hindenburg tragedy, the Germans had developed a mastery of its handling and care through experience, positive and negative. They respected its volatility and took greater pains to insure the safety of passengers and crew aboard LZ’s than a lot of contemporary airlines do.
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That picture of the “blowtorch” coming out of the bow of the Hindenburg (clearly hydrogen fueled) while the whole skin surrounding the bow is intact ought to be enough in and of itself to get rid of the idea that the skin as opposed to the hydrogen caused the fire. Further, the Hindenburg was not the only hydrogen inflated airship to end in disaster. R101 and the many hydrogen inflated airships of WWI which were shot down come to mind. Some of the tethered observation balloons of WWI used by the German Army had only wicker or wooden baskets and were shot down with incendiary bullets fired by Allied fighter planes. Wasn’t hyrdrogen ignition responsible? Of course it was.
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Thanks for putting up this site it is one of the most complete and accurate sites I have seen on the web. I intend to spend a great deal of time looking through here. I have seen several tests performed in regard to the dope used on the Hindenburg and in every case it was well determined that the dope was not a factor in the crash. I also saw the mythbusters episode testing the Hindenburg and I thought they did a really good job with it (including the burning affect when hydrogen filled).
Now I have a question do you think that the Hindenburg would have had a long and successful career if it had been filled with Helium?
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Dan (Airships.net) Reply:
July 6th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Thank you for your kind comments.
With regard to your question… If the Hindenburg had been inflated with helium, it probably would have continued to provide passenger service (in concert with sister ships, such as LZ-130 and LZ-131) until the outbreak of World War II.
Although heavier-than-air technology was quickly catching up to lighter-than-air technology by the mid-1930’s (for example, the clipper flying boats of Pan American Airways), the Hindenburg and its sisters would have continued to offer advantages over flying boats in terms of comfort, point-to-point speed, and schedule reliability (although with significantly higher operating expenses). Once war broke out, however, the service would clearly have been suspended, and by the end of the war heavier-than-air technology had advanced to such a point that I don’t believe zeppelins would have been able to compete.
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By my crude (no pun intended) estimates, 4000 gallons of diesel fuel would be equivalent to the energy of 4 million cubic feet of hydrogen or 57% of the energy in the hydrogen gas carried by the Hindenburg.
For the sake of argument, that is not an insignificant amount. Assuming my math is reasonable.
Not to mention, the diesel will burn at ground level or on whatever it touches while the hydrogen will burn as it rises.
Transportation is dangerous. People are going meet unfortunate ends from time to time moving from place to place. The point is to reduce, not eliminate the risk. If diesel fuel was a contributor to the death toll, that makes airships that burn gaseous fuels potentially more attractive. This is not an argument for hydrogen in particular, but rather against the use of diesel fuel in airships
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Dan (Airships.net) Reply:
July 7th, 2009 at 5:17 am
With all respect, there simply is no safety argument against the use of diesel fuel in airships, and diesel fuel has long been recognized as being much safer than the alternatives (gasoline/petrol, or propane-like gas) due to its lower volatility and considerably higher flash point.
It was, in fact, gasoline/petrol engines that were viewed by airship designers as a potential safety hazard, since gasoline is explosive and is so much easier to ignite than diesel fuel. (The designers of R101, for example, insisted — ironically, perhaps — on using heavy diesel engines rather than lighter gasoline engines for this very reason.)
And compared to a gaseous fuel such as Blau gas (propane), diesel fuel is much easier to store securely; well-designed diesel tanks are much more secure against leaks and damage than large fabric gas cells containing propane, and fueling operations are easier to manage and thus present less risk during the transfer of fuel to the airship.
The only arguments against using diesel engines in modern airship relate to weight and performance, and not to safety, and it is only because of the inherent safety of helium as a lifting gas (as compared to the obvious dangers of hydrogen) that modern helium-inflated blimps and airships like the Zeppelin NT can take advantage of the weight and power advantages offered by gasoline engines.
The presence of any flammable substance always presents some hazard, but among the various realistic alternative fuels which can be used to power the engines of an airship, diesel fuel is the least hazardous of all.
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jake Reply:
July 7th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
I love your example; the R101, a model of safety!
As you seem to know, it also crashed on its maiden voyage and its diesel fuel also caught fire and burned for about a day. The R101 was one of the worst designed airships I have ever heard of.
Diesel creates a lake of fire rather than a cloud of fire when it burns. That has to trump issues of leaking and handling which you claim advantage diesel.
Consider the case of a helium blimp with either natural gas or diesel sequestered inside the helium gas. Neither would be likely to burn, but if they did, only diesel would rain down fire and hot metal containers on the occupants and observers below.
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Patrick Russell Reply:
July 26th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
Jake, with all due respect, I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make by continuing to harp on the diesel fuel issue.
First of all, if you have specific evidence that burning diesel fuel killed any specific passengers and crew aboard the Hindenburg, I’d very much like to see it. By my count there were nine people (all Hindenburg crewmen except for the one ground crewman who died) who were in a location where they might have been killed by burning fuel. If you have coroner’s reports on any of them showing this to have been the case, I will gladly add that information to the appropriate articles on my web page.
However, the fact of the matter is that at the very most there could have been nine fatalities out of 36 connected to burning diesel fuel, and there were probably fewer than that. More people than this were killed in the passenger compartments by burning flooring, wall material, ceiling material, upholstery, etc. So again, I’m not really sure what your point is here.
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Joe Reply:
October 12th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Let’s also take into account the diesel, when it does finally burn is a slow burn, not the energetic explosive reaction of a flammable gas or of gasoline. I’ve personally watched a tractor trailer, which wrecked, burn. Oil on the engine caught fire, the antifreeze/water mix in the radiator system caught fire. the entire cab was engulfed in flame, catching a trailer full of chocolate. The packaged chocolate caught and burned..then the tires finally started to explode, 15 of the 18 tires exploded loudly and finally the 2 hundred gallon tanks were breached resulting in a loud hiss, significantly less notable than the tire failures. Yes diesel burns, but its flash point and energy release rate is significantly lower than most fuels and certainly insufficient to contribute significantly to an event of such a brief duration as the Hindenburg.
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Dan, I’m really glad you’ve started this section, and I imagine you’ll probably have cause to add to it as time goes on and more ill-informed claims such as these are made.
Let me address one thing specifically, as I’ve seen variations on it posted ad nauseum all over the Internet, and it’s absolutely not true:
“Thirty-five of the thirty-seven casualties perished from jumping to the ground, and most other injuries resulted from diesel burns.”
No. In fact, by my count only five people died from jumping from too great a height (all of whom leaped from the bow, all of whom were already essentially burning to death at the time they jumped.) A careful viewing of the newsreels will show that other than those five, nobody else started jumping from the ship until they were 15-20 feet (or less) above the ground. Everyone else who died in the Hindenburg crash was either trapped in the wreckage and burned to death there, or else was pulled alive from the wreckage and died later.
Tael, actually there were several passengers who were led out of the wreckage via the embarkation stairs, and I agree with you: they were all very lucky indeed. Marie Kleemann is generally the one who you read about as having walked down the stairs and out of the ship, but Margaret Mather, William Leuchtenberg, and Otto and Elsa Ernst all were brought out of the ship the same way. Somehow, the flames left the port side passenger decks largely intact for some minutes after the wreck hit the ground, and rescuers were able to actually enter the wreck and bring survivors out of the dining room. Unbelievable, and yet there it is.
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In my book about the Hindenburg (a small children’s picture book) it has a color photograph of the crash with the captions “The only color photograph taken of the Hindenburg crash” or something similar, I’ll happily send a scan along if you’d like. I read it so long ago that I probably wouldn’t know that photographs could be colorized…
This may seem strange and a bit macabre, but I always smile when I hear the story of the woman who walked out of the ship’s main entrance when it crashed to the ground and walked to safety!
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Dan (Airships.net) Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Photo manipulation occurred long before Photoshop. Photographs were hand-colored as early the 1860’s, and Stalin made former friends simply disappear.
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Tael Neilan Reply:
June 29th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Oh I know that! There was color photography as early as 1900, so I believed the book when it said the photograph was actually developed in color.
I just didn’t know that until a few months ago when I fell in love with photochroms.
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Isn’t iron oxide an oxidizer?
There is nothing in here about burning diesel fuel contributing to casualties. Why not?
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Dan (Airships.net) Reply:
June 24th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
I’ll be happy to defer to chemists for a more complete answer, but basically, no… the small quantity of iron oxide in Hindenburg’s covering did not act as an oxidizer (and certainly not as applied, in a layer separated from the aluminum powder, and on one part of the airship only).
With regard to the relatively small reserve of diesel fuel remaining after the ship’s 7,150 kilometer, 77 hour transatlantic crossing, what is your specific suggestion with regard to its contribution to the casualties? (It certainly did not contribute to the deaths of the nine crewmen caught in the blow-torch at the front of the ship, who represented 25% of the casualties.)
If you would like to explain your specific thoughts with regard to the role played by the diesel fuel, I will be happy to host a discussion of the matter on this forum.
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jake Reply:
July 1st, 2009 at 3:38 pm
I’m sorry, but just saying no is not very convincing. This wiki link below shows of an example of iron oxide oxidizing aluminum. This is a myth dispelling page so it kinda needs to be thorough.
Many of the “myths” you talk about are not directly refuted. If people were trapped in the wreckage and burned to death, doesn’t that mean that diesel fuel could have fueled the fires that killed them?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite
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Dan (Airships.net) Reply:
July 1st, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Fair enough; I am happy for this page to be a forum for debate, and you are correct, statements should be supported by evidence.
With regard to iron oxide as an oxidizer, you point to a Wikipedia article about thermite reactions. Since I am not a chemist myself, I can only refer you to the two scholarly papers by Dressler, Overs, and Appleby which I cited above, and to the links and citations on this page regarding thermite (which were selected because they point to .edu domains and other authoritative sources).
The Wikipedia article you cited simply supports the assertion that iron oxide can act as an oxidizer. The question here, however, is not whether iron oxide can ever function as an oxidizer (which it clearly can), but whether it could have done so in the proportions found on Hindenburg, and in manner applied to Hindenburg’s covering (in a layer separated from the aluminum), which are the questions addressed in the citations above. From a more empirical perspective, though, the question arises that if the iron oxide applied to the top of Hindenburg’s hull HAD acted as an oxidizer for the aluminum powder in the doping solution, why didn’t the covering on the upper hull (which contained iron oxide) burn more rapidly or furiously than the covering on the lower hull (which had no iron oxide)?
With regard to diesel fuel, although there are no records of the actual amount remaining on Hindenburg’s last flight, Harold Dick states that on a flight from Frankfurt to Lakehurst of very similar duration (78:30 hours; May 17-20, 1936) Hindenburg landed with only 13,050 kg of diesel fuel remaining, or about 4,000 US gallons (See, Harold Dick, Golden Age of the Great Passenger Airships, 1985, p. 126). And while that fuel was divided between barrels located all along the keel for even weight distribution, most of the fuel tanks were closer to the engines, hundreds of feet behind the passenger compartment. Naturally, I don’t think anyone would contend that there was no hazard whatsoever presented by the diesel fuel remaining onboard when Hindenburg caught fire, but in terms of the destruction caused by 4,000 gallons of diesel fuel versus the 5-1/2 to 6 million cubic feet of hydrogen remaining after the flight, there is little comparison. And does it really matter, in any case, which particular substance (diesel fuel or hydrogen) caused the actual injuries, since the Hindenburg would not have crashed to the ground in half-a-minute if if had not been inflated with hydrogen?
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